Friday, May 2, 2014

Goldwater page 78

Here is good piece on Constitutional issues of Obamacare - Rob wrote a great book which I have been studying for about 6 months - he brings challenges to the normal living concept Constitution.

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You bet Senators and Congress House members are talking about the Constitutionality of issues all the time, we did not see this for 60 years to my knowledge. I just love them say this is permitted and this is not; if we get them to debate the powers we have won for then the people will learn how they have been deceived and robbed of their hard earned wages and their jobs killed for political favor from E-green groups.

the States will take the power back and protect the people forever as all will know of the Progressive deceptions and theft of the people powers.
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Why the 14th amendment must be revoked - another example of the ways they pervert the amendment to do bad things to the freedoms and state rights. they want King Obama now.

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"A recent poll showed that nearly half the American public believes that the government should redistribute wealth. That so many people are so willing to blithely put such an enormous and dangerous arbitrary power in the hands of politicians -- risking their own freedom, in hopes of getting what someone else has -- is a painful sign of how far many citizens and voters fall short of what is needed to preserve a democratic republic."-- Thomas Sowell(1930- ) Writer and economist
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Here’s an object lesson in why learning history is important.  Since our detractors haven’t been able to shut us down they are increasingly using distortions of history to attack us.

One of the groups I follow focuses on education and is very active in challenging the material being used in their school system.  Someone wrote an OP-ED in the local paper attacking those activities.  I took special interest in the OP-ED because it included the following defense of the garbage being taught in their school system.

“In fact, it was… Jefferson, who proposed that government… create a government-run educational system…”

It’s really ironic his work was used to attack concerns over the content of history classes. I believe the proposal referred to was Jefferson’s ‘Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge” which begins with his reasoning for promoting education.

Whereas it appeareth that… certain forms of government are better calculated than others to protect individuals in the free exercise of their natural rights, and are at the same time themselves better guarded against degeneracy, yet… experience hath shewn… even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate… the minds of the people… more especially to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth, that, possessed… of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their… powers to defeat its purposes…

Perhaps it didn’t occur to their detractor to read Jefferson’s warning of the need to educate people that governments degenerate, that people should be taught and prepared to “defeat its purposes”.  If they had I don’t think they would have drawn attention to his work on this issue.  I can’t say I’m surprised, what would you expect from the Frederick County Maryland Liaison for the Obama for America 2012 re-election campaign.

When this kind of nonesense shows up in your local paper you can't let it pass.  We have to be able and willing to apply what we are learning.
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Franklin in his Bio was a designer of public schools and libraries paid by property taxes and that tax would be PROGRESSIVE - the larger properties would pay more even if they did not have children? One must read the entire spectrum of the Founders/Frames/Ratifiers work products as they changed back and forth over the decades of our nations formation.

Keep in mind that most of these men were educated in Europe and as such were more liberal than we believe in today's meanings of the word.
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Another view of the Constitution.  These are excerpts of a speech delivered by James Madison, in the Virginia ratification Convention, in June, 1788.  These particular remarks are part of his response to Patrick Henry’s assertion that the proposed Constitution if ratified “endangered the public liberty”.  Madison rejected the idea making the case that the Constitution would protect liberty from a historically more common threat, the people themselves.

“Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations…”

but on a candid examination of history, we shall find that turbulence, violence and abuse of power, by the majority trampling on the rights of the minority, have produced factions and commotions which, in republics, have more frequently than any other cause, produced despotism.”

“If we go over the whole history of ancient and modern republics, we shall find their destruction to have generally resulted from those causes.”

“If we consider the peculiar situation of the United States, and go to the sources of that diversity of sentiment which pervades its inhabitants, we shall find great danger to fear that the same causes may terminate here in the same fatal effects which they produced in those republics. This danger ought to be wisely guarded against.”

So I say to the right and the left, the conservative and liberal, consider Mr. Madison’s understanding of history.  If we seek to restore the Republic we do well.  On the other hand if our goal is simply to take control of the now centralized federal government we will seal the fate of our beloved America.

“This danger ought to be wisely guarded against.”

How many among us even know this is the “great danger to fear”?  How many among us will be satisfied to assume the reins of power and not face the hard work of restoring the Republic?
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A view of the Constitution.  I know there is no need to preach to the choir concerning the original intent of electing U.S. Senators by State legislatures.  I offer the following because it was written by Madison and provides a really brief and unique explanation why it was done.

In this part of Madison’s (constitutional convention) speech he explains the unique nature of our Federal government.  In particular he is reacting to and refuting the accusation that the proposed Constitution represented a dangerous “consolidated government”.

“Give me leave to say something of the nature of the (proposed) government…”

“There are a number of opinions; but the principal question is, whether it be federal or a cons0lidated government…”

“I myself conceive that it is of a mixed nature; it is, in a manner, unprecedented. We cannot find one express prototype in the experience of the world: it stands by itself. In some respects, it is a government of a federal nature: in others, it is of a consolidated nature.

“I can say, not withstanding what the honorable gentleman has alleged, that this government is not completely consolidated; nor is it entirely federal…”

“The members to the national House of Representatives are to be chosen by the people at large, in proportion to the numbers in the respective districts. When we come to the Senate, its members are elected by the States in their equal and political capacity…”

“…but had the government been completely consolidated, the Senate would have been chosen by the people, in their individual capacity, in the same manner as the members of the other House.”

Thus it is of a complicated nature, and this complication, I trust, will be found toexclude the evils of absolute consolidation…”

I love that last part.  In total it’s a great piece for those of us who wish to see the 17th amendment repealed.  I hope some here find these little excursions interesting or better yet useful.  I think my next foray may an exploration of the founder’s use of the words and phrase “evils of absolute consolidation”. Anybody wanna bet I’ll find a laundry list of the problems we’re facing today.

Long live the Republic
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Jon one must remember even pre 17th about half the States were holding some type of election to select Senators, so the amendment passed rather easily IMO. Revoking this and the 14th and the 16th are required if we want to put the Federal system back into Pandora's box for containment.

We have all been down this road many times and all agree that the way forward is to revoke but Congress is not going to limit it's own powers so without a Article V State convention how do we  get to the desired result?
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Locke my friend I can only look to history and do no more than speculate.  But here it is then.  The tide of big government will only turn once it has utterly failed us and/or after it has repeatedly attacked us just as the English did some two hundred plus years ago.

One only has to read what the colonists in Massachusetts had to endure before the rest of the colonies began to meaningfully discuss defending themselves.  It was only after an occupying army had boots on the ground AND they went after the armory at Lexington that colonists finally, finally realized the choice had been made for them; independence or death.

We who know some history lament what we see happening to our America but the vast majority of our countrymen do not know history.  Nor have we yet suffered enough.

My answer is that until they see and feel the misery of the failures that come with a repressive centralized authoritarian government, as foretold by our founders, we must prepare, we must be as patient as our adversaries.  That is what we must do.

I am reminded once again of Thomas Paine’s admonition.

The nearer any disease approaches to a crisis, the nearer it is to a cure. Danger and deliverance make their advances together, and it is only the last push, in which one or the other takes the lead.”

Oh how I wish there were some magic silver bullet, alas I am not a politician.  I have told the truth of the matter as I see it.  I do believe come what may in the end we will make a good fight of it.  There is nothing more certain than the determination of a man or woman whose back is against the wall and who knows what they are fighting for.  Freedom…  all over the world people come here to enjoy it.

When the American people finally realize it is being taken I believe with all my heart we will rally again yet one more time.  Do not fail to teach the children.
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Jon on those things we will agree and IMO the people are very near to the tipping point that is why I point to possible solutions and ways forward - for to look only at history will lead us to revolution and anarchy IMHO.

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